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Random: Because I can't get it out of my head 
3rd-Jan-2008 11:11 pm
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Because some entries are worth repeating. Trust me, people: you'll thank me.

4th-Jan-2008 05:34 am (UTC)

Haha, you are like the Universal Standard of Acceptability. Because you're my standard also!

Also, this is apparently the day where I make up for never commenting on your journal in less than twenty-four hours. :)
4th-Jan-2008 06:05 am (UTC)
"My blushes!" to quote Holmes. If only I were this hot on the dating market!
4th-Jan-2008 05:16 pm (UTC)
It actually probably really means you have to become a priest, or at least Pope. Sorry. Your days on the dating market are numbered.
4th-Jan-2008 05:44 pm (UTC)
iawtc. celibacy is very romantic, mike. you will have women beating down your door. at least this woman. maybe jenny will join me.
4th-Jan-2008 11:27 pm (UTC)
Somehow that's still so much less and more than what I'd hoped for! :-P Sorry!
5th-Jan-2008 01:24 am (UTC)
its just a proven fact that catholic priests have an easier time getting women to hit on them. havent you ever read _the thorn birds_?
5th-Jan-2008 06:33 pm (UTC)
Well, I saw the TV miniseries, but I think you've got the strangest picture of reasons for a priestly vocation here.... And in fact I already went through all this with my vocations director with the Jesuits, and women trumped priesthood for me!
5th-Jan-2008 06:51 pm (UTC)
i'm not sure if you realize i was kidding. do you, in fact, realize i was kidding? i guess it is not safe to assume anything anymore :p
5th-Jan-2008 07:11 pm (UTC)
Oh, of course: I thought my response was just as clearly in the same vein....

5th-Jan-2008 07:13 pm (UTC)
no, actually! but i'm glad we've got all that straightened out. also, mr theologian: do the orthodox not, in fact, believe in original sin? i am pretty sure they do, but i just wanted to check with you.

Edited at 2008-01-05 07:14 pm (UTC)
5th-Jan-2008 07:30 pm (UTC)
This is a tentative response, because that's obviously a complicated question, but my general understanding is that they do, but that it's a non-Augustinian understanding of the idea, which gives it a very different cast. The take Augustine took on the matter was so distinctive that it seems to have given Western Christianity a distinctive flavour, with all sorts of subsidiary developments over the centuries. One aspect, for instance, is that Augustine was understood to have theorized a "transmission" of it through disordered lust in sexual intercourse which is how it was spread through all of humanity, explaining its universal presence. So, for instance, the 19th century's dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Mary seems to be entirely dependent upon such a take, making me wonder if you take away the Augustinian conception of Original Sin whether that dogma retains any coherency.

So your question opens a big can of worms, and it's too complex for me too feel too sure about any response I'm giving here, but that's the best I can do on short notice without any further research.
6th-Jan-2008 05:12 am (UTC)
Wait, wait -- you were almost a JESUIT? Am I misreading in my exhausted state?
6th-Jan-2008 07:37 am (UTC)
I thought about it around 2000 or 2001, and worked with a Jesuit vocations director through the basics of their discernment process. When it became definitely apparent to me that if I met the right woman, it was really no contest, then I finally set the matter to rest. There's still certainly aspects of the life that attract me, and the spirituality of the order is pretty close to my habitual approach anyway, but once I'd done that calculus and come to my conclusions, I decided not to pursue the matter as I figured the world didn't need one more ex-Jesuit.
6th-Jan-2008 05:10 pm (UTC)
Oh man, my dad would have a field day with you. His favorite people are ex-Jesuits.
5th-Jan-2008 06:42 pm (UTC)
Just read this again, and thought I'd add that one gag from my Notre Dame days is that sometime I'd tell people that I was in their "Pre-Papal Studies" program, implying that this was somehow a prerequisite program for election to the See of Peter. It was amazing how matter-of-factly most people just accepted that as perfectly sensible.
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